Official Discussion: 2x16 The Whole Truth

[Hollywood Heidi]

2x16 The Whole Truth

Original Air Date: March 22, 2006
Centric: Sun centric
Directed by: Karen Gaviola
Written by: Elizabeth Sarnoff & Christina M. Kim
Summary: John enlists Ana Lucia's help in dealing with their prisoner in the Hatch. Elsewhere, Sun begins to think that she might be pregnant. (tv.com)
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What were some of your favorite quotes?

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[DarkSideCookie]

4 stars from me! Eh, but I thought the episode's title would mean the whole truth about Henry. I so can't wait to finally learn about WHO he really is!!! He even could become my new favourite character!

Oh man, first I feared Jin to fall back into his past being, when he suddenly destroyed Sun's garden. But I'm glad everything went out well in the end with them and also that he repaired her garden. It's still strange, how much the writers let us change our opinion about Jin and the two of them being together, or about all characters generally. Actually Sawyer still has demerits for me, because of the frog thing... :/ I'm strange in that. He could have killed humans, but not an innocent animal...

Oh nooo, what's going on with Rose and Bernard? Hope it really was just the fact he forgot her birthday. Lol, it's funny, that she cares about it, when nobody else seemed to know how long exactly being on that island at all. Still like her.

In the flashbacks I was first worried about Sun could have had a lover. I'm glad, she doesn't. But I'm sure there is despite something she hasn't told Jin later. About the baby. There is a bad thought flying around in my head, it could not be Jin's baby, because of something terrible happened, while she was kidnapped... but then, it was Charlie who had kidnapped her, right? I just so hope, that Jin is the father... Oh and it was sooo cute, when he kissed Sun and said "I love you" to her in english.

Lmao! Jack and Locke are the greatest combo at the moment!! It was hilarious, how Locke asked Jack how about letting Ana Lucia talk to Henry, though she already was inside talking to him! xD Jack's look at that in the end!

Haha Ana's actually facile but detailed question, why Henry hasn't got a beard. I never would have think about that!

The little Hurley/Sun scene was great as well! Both were hiding something, though Hurley didn't really managed to hide his chocolate bar. And also he seemed to not think about what Sun was hiding at all, only the chocolate bar in his own hand, lol.

Oh I really hated that Jin was angry at Sun in the flashback, when the doctor told them, she wouldn't be able to get pregnant. The writers made us remember, how much we disliked him in the beginning.

When Sawyer told Jin, that Sun is pregnant, I was like "No! You asshole!" xD But then I realized, that Jin anyway didn't understand a word, lol. In addition, Sawyer anyway couldn't really know about the result of the pregnancy test, so he probably again just wanted to bring up some trouble.
Funny btw, that we suddenly heard Sawyer's and Bernard's english conversation the way Jin would probably hear it! First I was like "Huh?? What are they talking?" and even rewind the scene to hear it again, haha.

Henry is just AWESOME!!! The actor is!!! That talk about what he would do, if he really was one of the Others! He suddenly was again like that creepy guy, we saw in the last episode, when he talked to Locke alone. I'm actually not sure, what I want him to be, haha. Maybe I even want him to be a bad guy. But then he probably will dethrone Sawyer for me, chrchr.

Last sentence in the episode was the BEST, lmao!


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Favourite quotes:

Sayid: "Do Jack and Locke know about this?"
Ana: "Jack and Locke are a little too busy worrying about Locke and Jack."

Charlie: "Humour's not his strong suit."
Ana looks very serious at him.
Charlie: "And I'm saying this to you."

Charlie turns around to Ana several times.
Charlie: "You looking at my bum?"
Ana: "No, I'm looking at your gun."

After Henry talked about what he would do, if he really was one of the Others.
Henry: "You guys got any milk?"
xD

[Hollywood Heidi]

4 stars from me as well!  And 500 stars to Michael Emerson for his portrayal of Henry Gale, lol!  Man, he is SO GOOD!

You brought up all the things that really stuck into my mind as well!

I was worried at the beginning that Jin was slipping back into his asshole ways.  Ripping apart her garden was definitely an asshole move.  Then again, he did it out of want to protect her, not just to be cruel.  She was going out there alone, even after being attacked, and refused to listen to him and go back to the beach with him.  He should have instead offered to accompany her.  It was when she said "my garden" that he flipped out.  I think maybe because to him, it sounded like she'd accepted that this island was their home now and maybe he flipped out because he hadn't been able to "save her" by getting them off the island on that raft.

It was funny when Locke asked Ana Lucia to talk to Henry.  When Ana Lucia asked why, he said because he thought she'd be the best at reading people cuz she had been a cop.  If only he knew what had happened back at the tailie camp.  Ana Lucia had thrown Nathan in the pit, convinced he was an Other.  She kept him there for days.  It wasn't until after Nathan was killed that she put it together that Goodwin was the Other.  Back in her first flashback, she totally read the guy who shot her wrong.  She said that he came out of the building and said he was reaching for his ID, but instead, it was a gun.  Yah, sorry Locke, but Ana Lucia isn't as good at this as you thought.

Henry did a good job of getting into Locke's head last episode.  Did you see how touchy Locke got when Ana Lucia asked him if he ran his idea by Jack?

It was so great to see Rose and Bernard again!  Lol, I also laughed at the fact that Rose was mad Bernard forgot her birthday.  It's nice to see these normal couple fights in the situation they're in.  I really felt like I missed a lot of the characters, actually.  So much emphasis on our awesome new mystery Henry.  I was like, "Yay!  Rose and Bernard!  Yay, Kate!  Yay, Hurley!" when they were all on screen.

Regarding Sun's flashbacks, Jae is back!  I didn't think we'd be seeing him again but looks like things didn't work out with that woman in America he'd told Sun about when we first saw him.  Now it seems his interest has turned to Sun.  Too bad, buddy.  You had your chance.  Still though, I can understand.  It was a misunderstanding.  Jae doesn't seem like a cruel man.  He didn't use Sun that first time to get his parents off his back.  He was genuinely surprised when he found out Sun wasn't doing the same.  She'd also been complaining about getting her family off her back.  And when he confronted her about them still having lessons when she's been fluent for a month, she didn't have an answer.  Then when he tells her to stay not for Jin but for himself, I was worried.  I really dislike adultery so I was hoping Sun wasn't going to go that route.  Then again, if there was ever a situation that I would find maybe the teeniest bit forgivable, it would be her situation.  Jin has become cruel and distant, he took his hand out of hers when the doctor said she couldn't conceive, then right after, tried to accuse her of already knowing she couldn't and keeping it from him.  Horrible.  I can also understand that in her situation and their culture and the family she is a part of, I'm sure it's a heck of a lot harder to get out of a marriage

Still though, adultery is just so wrong in my mind.  If she is considering what Jae is wanting and she wants that too, then she should use that as motivation to end her marriage, no matter how difficult it will be.  Honestly though, I don't think Sun would have done anything but the writers did leave us hanging with her and Jae facing each other!

That was so crazy that the doctor had lied to them and when he saw her on the sidewalk, confessed to her.  It didn't even enter my mind that the doctor had lied and said it was her, not Jin that had the problem.  Probably because fearing for your life by telling a man something that might offend his manhood is just not an issue here when it comes to things like fertility.  Geez, what the heck does Sun's dad do?  He is really feared.  The doctor really looked scared and really believed his practice would be burned to the ground just by giving a diagnosis.

I also really laughed when Hurley and Sun bumped into each other, both looking so hilariously guilty and trying to small talk their way out of it.

It was so great to see Ana Lucia and Sayid work together.  After what had happened, that was a huge step for the both of them to take.  How long would it have taken for them to finally face each other, for Ana Lucia to be able to give a very heartfelt apology and Sayid to forgive and go so far as to say that it wasn't even her fault, but the Others.  Not only did he accept her apology, but he gave her a solid thing to consider whenever she felt guilt over it.

Charlie was hilariously being an ass to Ana Lucia.  He had quick, biting remarks that were funny and I totally laughed when he held out his gun to her and psyched her out, arching it over to Sayid.

As far as the scene where Jin can't understand Sawyer and Bernard talking, that is so clever of the writers.  They make you feel what Jin is feeling.  Frustratingly watching two people converse with a light humor that seems to be at your expense and you just don't know why.  How maddening that would be.  You know what the writers did for that?  Well, some hardcore fans figured it out.  They took Sawyer and Bernard's dialogue and ran it backward!!  Here's what they said:

Bernard: Well, how do you know?
Sawyer: I got my sources.
Bernard: Aren't you going to tell him?
Sawyer: Not my place.
Bernard: You should tell him.
Sawyer: Hell no!  Let Sunshine tell him.

It was so great to see how far Jin and Sun's relationship has improved.  She told him she loved him when he was leaving as a normal reflex of any loving couple.  She looked surprised by it which was at the time sad and joyful to see.  Sad because you knew their relationship had been so bad that they probably didn't say it or possibly didn't feel it as much but joyful that they've gotten back to where they'd once been.  I got kinda teary-eyed at the end when Jin went out of his way to say "I love you" back in English!  That was so sweet!

Oh my gosh, Henry is probably one of the best characters ever on TV or movies or books... anyway!  He is Mindfuck Level: Grand Master.  Even though he is messing with these survivors that I so love, he is just so amazing and entertaining to watch.  Is he an Other?  Isn't he?  I swear, just when you're thinking he's not, he does something like at the end, playfully with a hint of crazy talking about what he would have done if he was one of these Others, meticulously laying out an elaborate plan so casually as he's popping cereal in his mouth.  Michael Emerson has forever earned a place of respect with me.  He is AMAZING!

it's as if Henry works really hard to make him believe one thing and when he feels like they're believing that, he shifts gear and works on getting them to believe the other way around.  What is this dude up to?  Seriously, I think he's made me change my mind several times, lol!  At the end there, the way he creepily mapped out his thoughts, I was leaning toward him being a bad guy.  Who knows though.  He'll probably change my mind several more times before we actually find out!


Favorite quotes/moments:


Sayid: Do Jack and Locke know about this?
Ana Lucia: Jack and Locke are a little too busy worrying about Locke and Jack. All I want to know is if this guy's telling the truth.


Henry: You people have been looking for someone to punish for everything that's happened to you -- someone to blame -- and now you've got him.




~later~

Henry: Wow, you guys have some real trust issues, don't you? Guess it makes sense she didn't tell you. I mean, with the two of you fighting all the time. Of course, if I was one of them -- these people that you seem to think are your enemies -- what would I do? Well, there'd be no balloon, so I'd draw a map to a real secluded place like a cave or some underbrush -- good place for a trap -- an ambush. And when your friends got there a bunch of my people would be waiting for them. Then they'd use them to trade for me......... I guess it's a good thing I'm not one of them, huh? You guys got any milk?

[Ariel]

5 stars for me, the whole episode was great but that ending with what Henry Gale said gave me some major chills! That "got any milk?" at the end just left my jaw dropped. The insight we get into Jin and Sun's love life was definitely very interesting, especially learning about the affair she was having with her english teacher and on the fertility findings. I felt so sad when Jin was tearing her garden apart in the beginning. I get that he is angry that someone would attack his wife and he doesn't want her out there, her reaction and how angry he got made me really sad. That was probably my least favourite part. My favourite part was when Sun found out that she was pregnant and broke the news to Jin while he was fixing her garden. Sun and Jin were my favourite characters in the episode,all scenarios and emotions were portrayed beautifully. There were definitely moments they acted out where I wanted to cry for sadness and cry for joy. Least favourite character was Ana Lucia. She just annoys me . But once again, that scene with Henry Gale at the end. Man. Mike Emerson is such a great actor and makes you really believe in the character that he's portraying.

Favourite quotes:

Henry: Wow, you guys have some real trust issues, don't you? Guess it makes sense she didn't tell you. I mean, with the two of you fighting all the time. Of course, if I was one of them -- these people that you seem to think are your enemies -- what would I do? Well, there'd be no balloon, so I'd draw a map to a real secluded place like a cave or some underbrush -- good place for a trap -- an ambush. And when your friends got there a bunch of my people would be waiting for them. Then they'd use them to trade for me......... I guess it's a good thing I'm not one of them, huh? You guys got any milk?