Official Discussion: 3x17 Catch-22

[Hollywood Heidi]

3x17 Catch-22

Original Air Date: April 18, 2007
Centric: Desmond centric
Directed by: Stephen Williams
Written by: Jeff Pickner & Brian K. Vaughan
Summary: When Desmond has a flash of a stranger arriving on the Island, he recruits Charlie, Hurley and Jin to join him. Meanwhile, Kate seduces Sawyer after witnessing Jack and Juliet together. (tv.com)
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[Hollywood Heidi]

4 stars from me! Desmond centric eps always seem to be really good.

I so ship Desmond and Penny big time!  The scene where they met for the first time was really sweet.  Totally love Penny's personality.  I was so excited throughout the episode, thinking, like Desmond, that Penny would be ending up there.  Sadly, it was a woman we've never seen before.  Well, probably better for Penny not to be stuck on that island with the Others, Smoke Monster, etc.

Holy crap, that beginning when we see Charlie get an arrow through the neck the first time, I freaked out.  It so took me by surprise that it didn't register until after that it was just a vision.  It was horrible, seeing that vision flash over and over.  Poor Charlie.  It makes me so worried to hear Desmond constantly tell him that he's trying to save his life, over and over, but it seems fate is trying to course correct.  I guess Des and Charlie are gonna have to live together forever as roommates no matter where life leads them. XD

We finally got to learn why Des calls people "Brother."  Seems he's always had commitment issues, even before Penny.  Still though, Des and Pen are meant to be.  He knows in his heart that she's looking for him.  I'm rooting for those two!  I want to see them find each other again.

Gah!  I do NOT like Jack and Juliet.  Not because I'm a Jate shipper, but because I just don't like them together.  I still don't trust Juliet after all she's done but despite that, I just never thought they fit together.  I felt so bad for Kate.  The look on her face when she saw them having dinner together.  She seems to have more feelings for Jack than she realized.  She didn't exactly handle it the right way though by going straight for Sawyer to bury her hurting.  Still though, Sawyer honestly didn't look hurt by it.  Sure, it threw off his ping-pong game but he looked more offended than actually hurt.  I think he started to emotionally separate from Kate even before they returned to the camp.

Now this is something I didn't notice myself the first time.  It was noticed by some hardcore fans and made the rest of us run back to rewind to the spot.  When Des goes into Brother Campbell's office toward the end, there's a picture on the desk that you can see in the bottom left corner of the screen when the camera is aimed at Des.  It's Mrs. Hawking!  That woman from Des's mental flashes who wouldn't sell him the ring and who told him about nature course correcting.



Random!  So I guess she's a real person.  Those flashes Des had after the hatch imploded were like an alternate past and/or he mentally travelled into his own self years ago.  We never really quite knew what happened.  But apparently, she exists.  Crazy!

Looking forward to finding out who their new visitor is and how she had a pic of Des and knew who he was.  Was she sent by Penny?  Is Penny's father trying to find him for some reason?  I'm thinking it's Penny.  Like Des reminded us, she did say "With enough money and determination, you can find anyone."


Favorite quotes/moments:

Jin telling a scary story in Korean and Hurley engrossed and jumping even though he doesn't understand a word!


SAWYER: Wait, now look, you need me to make ya a mix tape?


RUTH: You just disappeared completely.
DESMOND: I had a calling.
RUTH: We dated for six years, and the closest you ever came to a religious experience was Celtic winning the cup.


SAWYER: Hope I'm not interrupting. You two arguing over who's your favorite Other?


DESMOND: You know I don't usually get into cars with strangers.
PENNY: Well in that case I'm Penelope. [Pauses] Penny.

[DarkSideCookie]

4 stars from me as well. I really liked this episode, though it made me feel a little angry about Desmond's behavior. Sure, I can understand him, but at first, he totally acted like Charlie's death was a settled thing anyway, so he could make use of him accompanying him, even though it would mean his end. I know, in the end, he had saved him, but despite, his acting was pretty much selfish. Still, I love Desmond. <3 I can't help it lol.
And totally had the same chills at the Charlie/arrow scene!

I love that comic argue between Hurley and Charlie. XD

Lool, Sawyer trying to have sex with Kate! And she just smiles and walks away. XD I kind of feel bad for Sawyer though, as it looks like Kate is playing with his feelings. I know, his behavior was horrible in the start, but now he seems to care a lot for her.
But even though I'm no Jater, I feel also bad for her, when she looks at Jack having dinner together with Juliet at his tent. Still, I've to say, I love the two of them together, even if that means Heidi shouting at me. XD
I really haven't expected Kate to walk over to Sawyer then! This scene was kind of funny, but also I hate how she uses him only for the moment... Well, probably she don't get how much he really likes her. And I do have to disagree with you, Heidi, as for him not really feeling hurt. I think he is pretty much, even can see it on the actor's face on times, but good at hiding his true feelings.
Also, he gave her a mix-tape, haha! So cute and funny! <3

Haha, how Jin suddenly smiles because of "camping". He has become so cute and funny. Just like that creepy light stories at the camping scene, lmao. Almost strange to remember his being from the start or sometimes in flashbacks again.

Oh, interesting easter egg with the picture of Mrs. Hawking! And I love these form of mystery!

Oh, it wasn't Penny in the end! I wonder who that girl is?