Official Discussion: 2x07 The Other 48 Days

[Hollywood Heidi]

2x07 The Other 48 Days

Original Air Date: November 16, 2005
Centric: Tailies centric
Directed by: Eric Laneuville
Written by: Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse
Summary: The harrowing first 48 days in the lives of the tail section survivors are revealed. Flashbacks reveal the point of view of Ana Lucia, Mr. Eko, Bernard and Libby and other survivors as they landed on the other side of the island on the beach. As the days progress danger hits their camp as well when "The Others" start taking people against their will. As the survivors race inland, trying to stay a step ahead of The Others, they realize that someone among them wasn't on Flight 815. (tv.com)
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[Hollywood Heidi]

5 out of 5 stars from me!  I've always loved this episode.  They did such an amazing job catching us up with what happened to the Tailies all in one episode.  The montage toward the end when we get to the point where we'd caught up was also amazingly done!

Man, Goodwin!  I did not see that coming.  I remember when watching, we were all convinced it was Nathan.  Nathan/Ethan.  Both of them from Canada.  Cindy, the flight attendant, was so sure she didn't remember seeing him on the plane.  And Nathan always seemed to have this weird excuse of always being in or going to the bathroom.  Gone for two hours on the island, where were you?  Going to the bathroom.  Didn't see you on the plane, where were you?  In the bathroom.  I guess the poor guy just had stomach issues.

Omg, the kids!  Zack and Emma had a teddy bear.  The same one we saw being dragged by a kid when Eko and Jin were hiding from the Others and we saw the legs of a group of them as they walked by.  Either that was Zack or Emma or the teddy bear was given to one of the Others' children.  The bear looked the same so it's just got to be the same one!

Poor Bernard crash landed in a tree.  That was scary.  If that person next to him hadn't been dead already, the way those seats landed, he sure is now.  Thank goodness he was able to grab that branch in time.

"Remember Goodwin?"  That was pointed out a couple times in the last couple episodes and we Jin and Eko had even come across their body.  Now we know what they meant.  We all totally assumed he was a survivor killed by the Others but the warning when Ana Lucia asked if they remember what happened was that you never know if you could trust someone.

We also learned where that tiger pit had come from that Sawyer, Jin, and Michael got thrown into.  That must have taken forever for Ana Lucia to dig.  That sucker was deep!

We also got to see them discovering that bunker.  According to the orientation film that Locke and Jack had watched, The Swan was station 3 of 6.  That means there are probably 5 other stations somewhere on the island.  Well, it looks like the Tailies found another!  We got a good look at the symbol on the wall for this one.  I don't think it's really spoilery to tell you that this station is called The Arrow.  It's station 2.  I won't tell you the purpose of it or anything else as that's stuff we'll be learning later.

They found some weird, random stuff in the chest at that station.  A glass eye, a really old looking bible, a radio.  That was so neat, to not only hear Boone's voice again but to see that it was Bernard who had answered him!  It's so crazy, thinking back to that episode when Boone got on the radio and we were wondering if it was feedback or someone actually answering and wondering who it could be that was answering.  No wonder they were both confused!  Each group thought they were the only survivors so it's natural that Ana Lucia assumed it was the Others trying to draw them out.

We also, in a way, got to learn a little bit about the Others when Ana Lucia confronted Goodwin.  "Nathan was not a good person.  That's why he was not on the list."  Weird that Goodwin said that and more weird that the Others were seemingly taking what they deemed as "good" people.  Well, the first time, it appears they were taking people who were a threat, as Goodwin explained as his "guess" for why certain people were taken.  When he later brought up the good people thing, he almost seemed to pointedly be saying that Ana Lucia wasn't on that list because she wasn't a good person.

I wonder what makes them judge what makes a person good or bad.  Do they mean literally, like good or bad as in they kind of person they are or good or bad as in if they would be good for or bad for whatever they have in mind to do with these people?

After seeing what all happened, I can understand how Ana Lucia went from the smiley, cheerful person Jack met in the bar before the flight to the raging bitch we saw in the past couple episodes.  Man, we thought the mid-section survivors had it bad all this time but really, it was like Club Med for them.  The Tailies went through hell.  The mid-sectioners were lucky to have found the food carts, the radio from the cockpit, lots of luggage with clothing, meds, toiletries, etc., a man who knows how to hunt and kill boar, a man who is good with technology and could fix the radio, a doctor who helped mend the injured (poor Donald died from an infection of his broken leg because nobody knew what the heck to do nor did they have meds), they weren't bothered by the Others accept Ethan later on and more recently, found the hatch with even more food, running water, shelter, etc.

The ending reminded me what had happened and I can't wait for the next episode.  What an absolutely horrible way for the two groups to first meet!  While this episode was amazing and I loved learning about the Tailies and what they went through, seeing Sayid and Shannon at the end made me really miss the mid-section survivors!  I do really love Eko though.  He's so awesome.  Definitely on my favorites characters list!  He took a 40 day vow of silence after killing those two Others.  He's quoted from the bible and told Bernard he'd pray for Rose and for their rescue.  I think it's safe to assume he must have been some sort of man of the church.

Oh man, I just love this show and seeing the clashing of the two survivor groups just reminds me of all the big stuff coming up and I can't wait!


Favorite quotes/moments:

The whole last part of the episode done as a montage when we catch up to the things we've already seen.

Ana Lucia: You've been waiting 40 days to talk?
Eko: You waited 40 days to cry.

[DarkSideCookie]

5 stars from me, too! This episode was great and so well done from beginning to the end, especially the ending scenes, which led us to the current situation... poor Sayid btw. And damn, now I so wanna know what happens in the next episode! Somehow I still have a feeling, that Shannon isn't really dead. Hopefully you gave wrong info in the discussion thread from the last episode to misdirect us, Heidi. Anyway, this episode filled some of the gaps came up before, though of course it also let come up some new.

I was pretty excited, when I saw that "Day 1" on the screen. And as the title was "The other 48" (in german translation they deleted the "days" behind, so at first I thought it would have been 48 survivors), I assumed it will show us, how the other group has survived till they've met with the raft group.

I recognized that teddy bear from the kids immediately! And when they got kidnapped, it was all clear to me, at least, that this seemed to be the same kid(s) like in the "Other"'s group in the jungle. I wonder, if all of the kidnapped people are walking with them like zombies or forced to walk with them or just don't remember anything? Gah, lot of new questions!

BERNARD! Man, I felt so sorry for him hanging in that tree, a corpse next to him and not a sign from his wife Rose. I'm so looking forward for their reunion in the next episode! Though it's a bad situation for that...
Oh and I so loved that talk between him and Eko, when Bernard asked him, if there was another afro-american woman seen around. Actually even brought tears into my eyes for a moment, though I already know, that Rose is alive. ^^

I agree with you, Heidi, that this group had a way harder life on the island. No doctor, no Locke (), less people, a Goodwin (xD) etc. At least they had Rambina on board lol.
I can understand her better now, though I still think she's pretty bitchy sometimes. Despite, I like her, especially from that point on, when she let it go and suddenly started to cry. That scene with her and Eko was so great! And again teary-eyes as for me. I like Eko, too! And I'm really looking forward to both of their backstories. I already have guesses though. Ana probably was in the Army, as she knew well about that knife plus her behavior would fit to it, as she's a nice woman, but as soon as the situation becomes dangereous, she seems to fade out everything else, even her own feelings. Well, and she's pretty tough and good at shooting/fighting in general (oh and didn't loose control with the gun, when she shot Shannon out of shock - Gosh, I feel so sorry for Ana now ). I wonder if I'm right with that.

I haven't suspected Goodwin, too. But I was also twisted in mind about Nathan. I mean, that would have been to obviously, really TOO much! For a moment I even thought it could be Libby, because she was the only one, who was pro-Ana right from the start. As for capturing Nathan I mean. And then, when Goodwin "helped" Nathan to escape, I was pretty shocked, as he suddenly killed him! I didn't see that coming. But from then on it was all clear, that he was one of the Others, though I thought, Nathan could have been either, but Goodwin maybe did because of fear he could talk to Ana or something like that. But well, seems he really was just a normal guy, having problems with being incontinence.

Whoa, it was heavy how Ana staked Goodwin! I bet she was shocked the same, seeable on her face expression. And again, one of the Others died before could have answered some questions. Well, Ana asked him some question before at least. Wow, and she stayed pretty calm in that conversation I think. And again, probably a member of the U.S. Army.

I totally enjoyed the scene, when Bernard and Boone were talking over the radio transmitting set! And again it filled a gap! This show is so well-thought-out!

Oh and I loved, when the transition to the already-happened scenes with the other group of Jin, Saywer and Michael started! Above all, that they didn't show us the whole scenes, but parts of it like doing a flashback. And now it's better to understand, why the Tailie group acted so heavy, as they already crossed pathes with the Others and even had one among them. It actually didn't happen anything good to them yet. Well, both groups thought the other people would be the Others.

Oh but I hated, that Eko really hit Ana, even though she wanted him to do it...


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Favourite quotes:

Eko: "It's been 40 days."
Ana: "You've been waiting 40 days to talk.?"
Eko: "You waited 40 days to cry."